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Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:49:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Xamiakas wrote:"dear" CCCP Complaining to defunct communist states about Icelandic game companies never turns out well.
Defunct? Pfft.
If you want to know more, go to the UN and look behind the "Russia" sign on thier desk.
Polar glory can be launched at any time if enough whine warrant a takeover of the Icelandic assets. |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:21:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:Quote:It's been repurposed to an Attack Battleship & cruise missiles, which is the weapon of choice for Raven pilots, have received a significant buff to their performance. Overall the new Raven will perform far better than the old one. Why do I get a feeling this guy fly Raven PVE or even Raven Screenshots and thinks thats the way it should be. Fun fun.
Why would you use a range bonus large missile boat in PvP anyway? To snipe from so damn far the enemy can probe you and warp to 0 before your 1st volley hit them? |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:34:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:It's so lovely to see all these "PVPers of HighSec or theory" praising Raven nerf. Lots of fun. Thanks Xam! :-)
So is reding idiots who can't explain how they used thier raven in pvp since it's a **** combo of range bonus on large missile to begin with. It was unable to brawl because the tank was bad, the rage bonus on missile is poor at best because it put cruise way too damn far to be usable and torps are still bad damage application on any target faster than a POS. |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:40:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote:Samillian wrote:OP I really don't see what your problem is.
Lets take the Raven with Cruise now doing an extra 30% damage with faster base flight time added to the hulls bonuses this allows you to apply that damage far better than you were before and should more than makes up for the loss of a high slot.
You have increased PG and CPU allowing you better fitting options as well as an additional mid-slot and increased capacitor.
While you have lost some native tank you have gained extra speed a faster align time and a lowered sig radius .
As for HML's there range was excessive and gave to much of an advantage to missile spamming gangs, I do tend to think the DPS drop was a little on the high side but not enough to worry me. Try HAM Drakes, they are fun boats and do a good job unless of course you have personal problems with opponents actually being within effective combat range of you.
The fact is that Caldari ships are used more now in PvP (with the exception of the Drake and the Blackbird) than I have seen since I started playing the game. This rebalance has given the Raven a chance to crawl out fo the PvE oubliette it has languished in for years as the T1 cruiser rebalance brought the Caldari hulls back into the light.
If you don't want to see this then that is of course up to you to maintain your delusion of choice. oh .. so let`s see.. they`ve taken the weapon type that basically would let raven use HALF of the potential dps on it, buffed the dmg of that weapon by 30% (for really slow people.. that`s still worse than torps) and called it a buff? while removing a high slot.. which was normally used to fit a neut or smarty. makes sen...er... :D come back when you`re old enough to buy beer.
How many painters do you run to be able to get any damage application on those torps? Because it's pretty much only on bombers and golems that they do anything good. The explosion velocity is so large you can be at least partially speed tanked by a dread... |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:43:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Xamiakas wrote:
if you`re using a disrupt on a bs with short ranged weaponry.. you really shouldn`t have stopped mining that veldspar.
Oh I see, you want to go toe to toe with a real battleship. Good luck with that.
Brawling in a raven. Talk about no using the right ship for the job... |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 14:51:00 -
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Combatevolved wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:Xamiakas wrote:
if you`re using a disrupt on a bs with short ranged weaponry.. you really shouldn`t have stopped mining that veldspar.
Oh I see, you want to go toe to toe with a real battleship. Good luck with that. Brawling in a raven. Talk about no using the right ship for the job... I don't get it.. What is the job of the raven? It can't kite with cruiser missiles...
It's a bad pvp ship unless you build your gang around it. Long range missile are crap because of the damage application delay. Any large missile use in pvp pretty much amount to bombers. It's sad but it's the way the mecanics work right now. |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:13:00 -
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Xamiakas wrote:how about using raven way it was built? slap torps, shield buffer, hug some bs and melt it`s face? cruise missiles for pvp? rofl.. REALLY? :D that sounds even worse than a solo mega fit with rails... geez
Except the mega would be better at what you are trying to do (short range brawling) than a raven. You are using the wrong ship. The changes pretty much confirmed the raven as a long range ship by making it not as good at the bad utilisation you were using it for.
It does kinda remove some PvP options but those options were never good to begin with. |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Xamiakas wrote: and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about.. You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe? This thread just gets wierder.
To me it seems like he says he brawl with torps wich makes sense. What is stupid is the very idea of brawling in a raven tho. |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:43:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Xamiakas wrote: and rokh was more of a sniper?:D you really have no clue F you`re on about.. You say you snipe with torps and claim Large Rails can't snipe? This thread just gets wierder. To me it seems like he says he brawl with torps wich makes sense. What is stupid is the very idea of brawling in a raven tho. I know what you mean, but from what hes been saying he says he never fits cruisies he only fits torps, and that Raven is a better sniper than Rokh, which means he has to be sniping.... with torps??
I think he mean the Rokh is more of a sniper than a brawler but I could be wrong. The optimal bonus is good for sniping but also good to get that little extra range on blaster... |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 15:45:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:Xamiakas wrote:Paul Panala wrote:All of the Raven pilots I know are really happy about the patch. You need to look at both the hull changes and the changes to cruise missiles.
As far as the Drake, yeah, as a Drake pilot I was frustrated about the changes...but I have to admit. The old Drake did seem OP compared to other Ballecruisers. I think they may have gone a little too far in nerfing it, in my opinion at least.
Give CCP some credit, they are doing a HUGE rebalance. They may not get everything right. We already saw they went back and tweaked a few of the same ships again in this patch. Sometimes it is hard to predict what will happen when you change 20 ships at a time. happy `bout cruise missile changes? excuse where exactly did i mention PVE RAVEN pilots ? and since WHEN hisec PVE should take upper hand to low,null,wh`s again? happy to cruise missile changes?:D that really sounds more like telling me that they`ve buffed caldari cruiser hulls by raping HMLs and supposedly buffing HAMs :D as i`ve said before already.. this isn`t a FAQ for newcomers.. and if "rebalance" you mean the continuation of the few year old tradition by NERFING caldari yet again, you`re actually right :D though, really SHOULD go check the dictionary. don`t know wtf you on about? if you really don`t, apply for a job @ CCCP = you`re a perfect recruit. I said nothing about PvE. The Raven is built to be an extreme long range Battleship, look at its bonuses. Like any ship in Eve, if you try to fit/use it in a way that does not favor its bonuses you will be disappointed. Yes, the Odyssey changes make it better at performing that role in a PvP fleet. I think the real challenge with Caldari is that their two weapon systems, Missile and Hybrid (gunnery), do not share any skills. As a Caldari pilot you are forced to write off half of their fleet until you have good skill for missiles and gunnery. Other races have the same problems, both with weapsons and tank, so you can't really say its unfair.
Long range missile are still more of a liability in pvp than a bonus. If you truly use thier range, you ca then be probed and warped to. Even if you don't, you still need a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away when they see the missiles coming. |
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Frostys Virpio
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:00:00 -
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Frosty-nee wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
Long range missile are still more of a liability in pvp than a bonus. If you truly use thier range, you ca then be probed and warped to. Even if you don't, you still need a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away when they see the missiles coming.
Bubbles and/or tackle is pretty good in pvp, or so I hear.
I hear those were provided by
Frostys Virpio wrote:a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away
but I might be wrong... |
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Posted - 2013.06.05 16:23:00 -
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Frosty-nee wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:I hear those were provided by Frostys Virpio wrote:a close range fleet to keep your enemy on grid or they will just warp away but I might be wrong... Which already works fine with other fleet comps so I don't really see what the difference is here
Of course it affect all long range weapons but the delayed damage only adds up to that. The raven is basicly long range weapon with extra penalties in pvp. |
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